Seriously??

25 Sep

I hate waking up to disturbing tweets, its probably my fault since I sleep with my phone under my pillow, but still. La Liga Loca  tweeted parts of Miguel Serrano’s post in today’s Marca. I’ve been looking for a link to the post but apparently its only in the print edition. Check out this bullshit…

“Thanks to the word revealed by Ayatola Pep, FC Barça has become FC Burka. In response to ‘Hala Madrid!’ the culés can say ‘Allah Barça!'”

“After putting themselves in Arab hands the prohibitions begin. Now you can’t smoke in the Camp Nou,” continues Miguel Serrano.

“You can’t rule out the players having to wear turbans and do stonings every Thursday. Now Barça is more than a club: it’s an Emirate.”

Yeah, this definitely woke me up alright. Im not even sure I have the words to describe how insulting & racist these comments are, its just so disgusting how someone can so freely spew this kind of garbage. This journalist has no tact & no regard for the many Marca readers he’s just offended. And the fact that this kind of crazy ass writing is found acceptable at Marca pisses me off even more. Well, Im going to have some breakfast, work on a couple things & get a HAPPY game post put together for you all. 🙂

La Liga Loca just tweeted a link to the full post, its in spanish but you can read/translate it here.

-Maisougio

32 Responses to “Seriously??”

  1. HermosaChica September 25, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    *shakes head in disgust*..
    I’d rather not say anything and risk adding an equally disturbing rebuttal for that article..

  2. maddy September 25, 2011 at 12:02 pm #

    there will always being idiots spewing garbage. and a newspaper ready to print garbage. who even gave this guy a pen. seriously, education is wasted on some people.

  3. Lozil September 25, 2011 at 12:26 pm #

    Holy fucking shit! I can’t believe that racist crap was published first off and second, that this dickhead still has a job. Absolutely disgusting. What a thing to wake up to. I’d tag this one with the Complete and Utter Doucheweed of the Day tag. Ugh.

    • Maisoun September 25, 2011 at 1:32 pm #

      I knew you had a good tag for stuff like this, just added it.

    • Jenny September 25, 2011 at 7:08 pm #

      “this dickhead still has a job…”

      Well yes – that is what players are putting up with in Spain with racist chanting for example – a whole attitude that it’s nothing worth punishing anyone over.

      I’d scream with rage, but that would only freak out the neighbours.

  4. Maddi September 25, 2011 at 1:06 pm #

    “You can’t rule out the players having to wear turbans and do stonings every Thursday.”
    What the hell!??!?!
    Usually when Marca spews its nonsense it’s just somewhat amusing, but this is just sick.
    It’s pathetic that people think it’s okay to post such disgusting bullshit. I hope the guy loses his job.

  5. Allison September 25, 2011 at 1:07 pm #

    Just wow. People never cease to amaze & disgust.

  6. Gilly September 25, 2011 at 1:26 pm #

    Why are you surprised? This is the kind of casual ignorance/racism that’s been evidenced in Spain re football and sports in general for a while. How a newspaper can publish that and NOT fear a lawsuit is incredible, but not surprising: they know the complaint aint coming

  7. AnnaBuena September 25, 2011 at 1:40 pm #

    Garbage can only spew out garbage. Tsk, tsk,tsk. Disgusting.

  8. panama September 25, 2011 at 1:57 pm #

    Is that supposed to be funny? Really, what a douchebag. So much for journalistic integrity…

  9. Mais September 25, 2011 at 8:10 pm #

    I can understand why you/me would be personally offended Maisoun. Obviously everyone else also feels offended at the digustingness of it all. I just can’t believe the nerve! Doesn’t he think that even the Arab Barca fans will rebel against him/Barca when they hear stuff like ‘Allah Barca’?! (felt disgusting just typing that) Because they will! There are priorities in life, and you just don’t mess with religion and culture, because they’re more important than football (to me at least!) Rant over. Sorry I’m just really ticked off right now. I saw this while I was still in bed too. What a great start to the day…

    • maddy September 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm #

      i have a LOT of arab friends and they are ALL barca fans (which is a pain in the neck for a madridista). so they are probably outraged. i wonder if barcelona fc or qatar foundation will respond to this.

      • Maisoun September 25, 2011 at 10:43 pm #

        I was thinking about that too. I wish they would respond to the comments but since the journalist isnt really affiliated with the club, I think it would be unlikely that they go after the guy….it would probably cause even more drama that isnt needed or wanted.

  10. headbandsandheartbreak September 25, 2011 at 10:45 pm #

    If anyone is interested in telling this douchebag exactly how they feel, his twitter handle is @latigoserrano. He looks like a total tool.

    • Mais September 26, 2011 at 12:25 am #

      Thanks Lozil. Some civilized harrassment is about to go down.

  11. mel September 26, 2011 at 9:22 am #

    I find the comments funny. And also harmless. It’s one man’s opinion. I’ve seen stories like this before, and I don’t think anyone living in Spain/Madrid will be very offended by this, because they do have a very casual approch to stuff like this.

    I’m from Denmark where we have had several Muhammed issues……. I saw the humor in the drawing, but I also saw the wrongness of them.
    To say someone of Islamic belief is automatically a terrorrist is wrong. In Denmark we have ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom of speech’ (we can call other people terrorrists, but we will be put in jail for offending the queen or primeminister – so much for democracy……..) That being said, those values does not intitel us to abuse people who doesn’t have the same values in their country.

    • Maisoun September 26, 2011 at 12:19 pm #

      I have to admit, I was a little taken aback by your comment. I certainly dont see any humor in Serrano’s comments and I certainly dont see how they are harmless. What he did was stereotype a whole race & religion, & thats offensive no matter what group of people is being targeted. For him to say that “stonings every thursday” cant be ruled out just because Barca is sponsored by Arabs, is extremely insulting. According to his statement, ALL Arabs take part in those kinds of acts, ALL Arabs are barbaric. That doesnt sound so harmless to me.

      He doesnt like Barca’s new sponsor? Fine, but theres no excuse for him to use phrases like “FC Burka”, “Allah Barca”, & “wear turbans and do stonings”, its just hateful and disgusting.

      As a person of mixed race, I am no stranger to discrimination, I get it from all sides so I take offense to people taking comments like Serrano’s so lightly.

      • mel September 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm #

        I’m sorry, you feel that way. I never meant to hurt someone. I like a healthy discussion, and I feel this is a perfect picture of people from different cultures seeing differently on the same issue.

        I know the Danish cartoones were so wrong, and I feel the man who drew them should have had enough integrity to say, no I’m not going to do that job. All the diamonds in the world is not enough payment to make me do it. He fears for his life now, as he should, because he brought it upon himself!!!!!

        I see the discrimination and also the generalisation of the comments, but my view on it is this: The man who made those comments does not know every arab person in the world, he has absolutely no knowledge of Islam or The Prophet. Because he has no knowledge of these things, I cannot take the comments very serious. IF he know every arab in the world, and everything there is to know about the culture, and what actually happens, I would be offended too.

        We are all intelligent, well informed humanbeings here, and I must say I know better than to believe what he claims, is actually what goes down in the arab culture. As well as I know not all muslims are terrorrists. Just because someone drew something stupid, doesn’t make it real.

        But he is just an ignorant man, and I think it’s best to ignore him, because he just want’s the attention!

    • headbandsandheartbreak September 26, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

      I find the comments funny. And also harmless. It’s one man’s opinion.

      Um, yeah, I’m with Maisougio on this. I found nothing funny in these appalling and outwardly racist comments. Harmless? One man’s opinion? You only have to look at history to see what inciting hatred against a group of people can cause. Can you say “Adolf Hitler?” – that started with words too. Hate speak and stereotyping should not be encouraged in any form. It starts small, but if not checked, then it escalates. There’s enough anti-Arab and Muslim sentiment going around – there doesn’t need to be more fuel to the fire. Also, this guy is supposedly a Madridista – I don’t want people thinking that other Madridistas share this hateful point of view, because I certainly don’t. We also don’t need more to add to the RM-Barca feud.

      I’ve seen stories like this before, and I don’t think anyone living in Spain/Madrid will be very offended by this, because they do have a very casual approch to stuff like this.

      Yes, and they have massive problems with racism – we talk about this in relation to football all the time. Do you not think a “casual approach to stuff like this” could be a part of that problem? So where do you draw the line? Is it bad to call Marcelo a monkey and get upset about that, but brush off comments about Arabs? It’s not cool, full stop.

      I know there are alot of Arab/Muslim watishistas! here – can you sistahs please explain to Mel how this makes you feel? Because maybe that will help her understand why this is nothing to be casual about. I know many of you have spoken here in the past about the discrimination you’ve been exposed to.

      Words aren’t just words when they provoke action.

      • maddy September 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm #

        i was actually a little saddened by the comment. because it suggests how commonplace racism is in spain/europe and that people have resigned themselves into accepting it as a social evil that cannot be defeated/overcome. it reminded me of what Danish/Moroccan Muslim singer Isam Bachiri (who, btw, is super hot) said when questioned about how he felt in the wake of the Denmark cartoon drama. he said ‘Being a Muslim in Denmark in the last decade has not been fun. There’s been a lot of disrespectful arguments and attitudes towards Islam so really when I saw the drawings I thought, “Oh, it’s just another day in Denmark!”

        “Oh, it’s just another day in Denmark!”. sad.

        mel says that she saw humour as well as wrongness in the Danish cartoons. i dont know mel so i hope she saw humour in those cartoons because she does not know the importance of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) to a Muslim. it is not alright to ridicule the human being most loved and most respected by all the Muslims that ever lived and followed him. the cartoons depicted him in a very inappropriate manner which hurt 1 billion people. there was nothing funny about it and i hope mel sees that now.

        • mel September 26, 2011 at 2:31 pm #

          Maddy, I’m sorry for that. I can’t help it because after the third/foruth re-print of the Mohammed drawings here in Denmark, it’s beginning to be quite the farce. I completely understand the wrongness of the drawing, it goes against my beliefs. I care about the people responsible for actually making the drawings and printing them and re-printing and re-printing, get a serious lesson in etics. Of course claiming all muslims are terrorists is wrong, because reality is not like that.

          During the first Mohammed crisis we saw news reports from arab countries, and the rightfully upset arabs very burning the Danish flag and pictures of the Danish Primeminister of that time. Was I offended? No……. Burn the flag all you want, we can make a new one. That’s the common approach to that in Denmark. We are not patriotic at the same level as say the arabs, and we cannot be hit on our religion, because not many Danes cares about the religion, we are supposed to have in Denmark. Churches are near empty when there’s a worship. There may be three or four old people present.

          I don’t believe it’s right to suppres other people, and to use the freedom of speech we have in Denmark to do so, is very wrong. I know that the Danish puplic was not supportive of the drawings, and we’d quite frankly rather be without the whole incident. Unfortunately we cannot undo what’s been done, so we look forward in stead.

          The crisis has thought me one thing. I don’t fear IF Denmark will be subjected to terror actions – I fear WHEN it will happen. Because I’m realistic. Denmark is at war in Afghanistan, and trying to fight terrorism must come with a price. That’s my take on it. I wish there were no Danish troups in Afghanistan, because most of the young men return home in coffins. And quite frankly we’re trying to win an impossible war.

          I apologise if my comment offended you, and hope I’ve given you a small insight into my culture and attitude 🙂

          I didn’t write the comment to mock or offend anyone, simply just to voice my opinion. I believe everyone is intiteled to their own opinion and also to voice it.

          • maddy September 26, 2011 at 11:54 pm #

            i suppose its a case of miscommunication. we were offended by you finding humour in the incidents. it was not clear if you said it with sarcasm.

            i dont understand the point of serrano’s statements. how could ANYTHING productive come out of it. or it is some kind of smear campaign to tarnish madrid’s name further? like i said before, it infuriates me that some people take literacy for granted and abuse the privilege of being able to read and write by spewing nonsense. really, its maddening.

            • mel September 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm #

              I’m sorry for the late reply, my internet connection is non excisting at times….

              I think his motive behind the comments was to create attention around himself.

              I can se why people would be offended. I just shrug my shoulders and move on, because what he said had no relation to me.

              What he said was clearly not smart, but he can’t take it back now, and I think he got what he wanted from the whole situ – attention 🙂

              • headbandsandheartbreak September 28, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

                I see, so as long as it’s not about you, it’s okay to shrug your shoulders and say “Whatever”? If people don’t speak up when they see injustice, it continues. I’m not black or a Muslim or a Jew but I’m sure not going to sit there and shrug off slurs about them. Wrong is wrong.

                “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out —

                Because I was not a Socialist.

                Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out —

                Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

                Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out —

                Because I was not a Jew.

                Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me.”**

                Those were the words of Martin Niemöller. He was a Protestant pastor in Germany who became a very outspoken foe of Adolf Hitler. For this, he spent the last 7 years of Nazi rules in concentration camps.

                We can’t just shrug our shoulders and hope someone else solves the problem because it has “no relation” to us. It’s about our fellow human beings – it has everything to do with us. It’s our duty to speak out. Shit doesn’t change if we don’t do our part. Silence isn’t always golden.

                **“The quotation stems from Niemöller’s lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist. These can be attributed to the fact that Niemöller spoke extemporaneously and in a number of settings. Much controversy surrounds the content of the poem as it has been printed in varying forms, referring to alternating groups such as Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jews, Trade Unionists or Communists depending upon the version. Nonetheless his point was that Germans — in particular, he believed, the leaders of the Protestant churches — had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people.” – US Holocaust Memorial Museum

      • mel September 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

        I completely agree with you, but I have to say as an intelligent, well-informed person I know better than to trust what that man says. He can generalise all he wants in my opinion, as long as I know what’s true and false. And it sound like he has absolutely no knowledge at all about the arabic culture. He could call me a prostitute, and I would be sad about the comment, but then again, I know I’m not a prostitute, which makes him an ignorant idiot – in my world!!!

        I don’t believe in suppressing people who don’t live in societies with freedom of speech, because that makes us no better than the dictatorship they already live under. But at the same time I believe in a healthy debate.

        The issue with the casual racism approach in Spain is sad, and I wish it could be solved. But that requires someone to take action, and if no one takes responsibility for that, it’s pretty hard to reach a solution. Thereby not said racism or discrimination is acceptable.

        Cher once sang: Words are like weapons, they wound sometimes.

      • Mais September 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm #

        Part 1: Hi Mel, I’m both an Arab and a Muslim watishta! so I’m definitely in the group being stereotyped. I think I will do as Lozil suggested and try to explain how this post made me feel. Now, I do respect your point of view and somewhat agree with your opinion (only about him being ignorant and clearly not knowing what the crap he’s talking about). My question is: if he doesn’t know anything about it, WHY is he generalising and stereotyping us like a herd of sheep? ‘stonings every Thursday’? I have absolutely NO idea how ANYONE would find that humourous. I find it EXTREMELY offensive. He clearly thinks we’re some sort of uneducated tribe who still use camels for transport. Um, wake up dude, the times have changed dude, roll with the punches.

      • Mais September 26, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

        Part 1: sorry I have to cut this comment up, my computer is clearly not liking this post very much either haha. Anyway, as I was saying, ‘Allah’ (for those who don’t know, is the name of God for us, as ‘Jesus’ for Christians for example). Allah’s name just CANNOT be mixed with things like a team’s name. It’s like saying THEY’RE God, and that is beyond unacceptable. He was trying to play on the whole ‘Hala Madrid’ thing because as we all know the H is not pronounced in it. Not funny. Again I don’t see how this could’ve been seen as humourous by anyone. Another fail in his article: Emirate would only apply to the UAE (United Arab Emirates) . Barca are sponsored by Qatar, it’s a whole other country you dork!

      • Mais September 26, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

        Part 3: so clearly when his words infuriate a LOT of people, they are NOT harmless. I’m sorry if you disagree with me, but I don’t think you can understand unless you’re in the same boat. And as you said people in Denmark are not religious nor patriotic so it may be hard to understand. Though I do respect and appreciate you disliking the Prophet (PBUH) Mohammed drawings (I did not see those, on purpose, and am not planning to, ever). To sum up (I can practically hear people’s sigh of relief haha), we thank you for the certain level of understanding you have Mel, however clearly since you’re not exactly in the same boat as us, it is hard for you to understand how this is not funny at all (though other non-Arab, non-Muslim watishtas! did. Perhaps it is our different sense of humour types) However I do hope all these comments helped you understand how this is not a joke-worthy matter and exactly how we feel about this. Thanks for sharing your opinion with us.

        • mel September 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm #

          Thank you too. I do understand where your comming from with this, and if I were a muslim I would be offended too. But I’m not (And I’m properly going to hell for it in your religion ;)) But I agree, we have a different sense of humor.
          Also, I do have a better understanding of your side now.

          • Mais September 28, 2011 at 8:58 pm #

            I think this is the quietest debate we’ve had here on HB&HB (some people get real nasty sometimes and poor Lozil has to try and cool everyone down), so welldone to us! Just wanted to clarify that just because you’re not a muslim it doesn’t mean that we believe you’ll end up in hell. We believe that only God can judge. Just wanted to make sure that’s clarified. 🙂

  12. jellyace September 26, 2011 at 11:16 am #

    That “journalist” is muckraking and begging for attention. Slime is best ignored.

  13. LV September 26, 2011 at 11:53 pm #

    Ug, depressing. I don’t know how blatant xenophobia like this flies in the mainstream press in Spain, but sadly it does seem to from time to time. That was so extremely offensive…sickening. I hope a lot of people in Spain are offended by this garbage.

    Now I must go distract myself from this stupidity by looking at pretty boys…;)

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